Next day: Ilya feeling like we morally should not be kicking elon out,
and should be trying to make the non-profit work and convince him to
stay.
Going to do 9a call with Sam. On it the questions are:
1. Suppose we do non-proflt and E stays, are you cool with us doing
hardware in tesla?
2. we cou
Message to E could be:
more money won't move us faster right now.
will start some fundraising convos now, ship the hand, and see what
fundraising looks like after that.
- we can make this work. if you have a competitor then we're in
trouble.
- in the meanwhile we'll help j m do the hardware right.
- sam: say, we wanna do openai, if you wanna do inside tesla it's
ok. if weirdly competitive should revisit.
ilya: was thinking, what we need.
- sam: depends how strategically dependent we would be, could imagine
a way that works.
ilya: earlier more concerned. don't want only strategy to be
tesla. wouldn't wanna be locked into something that only tesla
- gdb: why be ok with similar effort in tesla?
- sam: won't work, how little
- sam: would like E to stay on board, not go to war. don't think will
work, tell him that. maybe he'll get the hardware built inside of
tesla.
- ilya: if 'm truly honest, my prefs here are not set in stone, some
pref for b-corp. can be made happy in the non-profit world.
- sam what involvement?
- sam would prefer to have him involved,
- sam much more interested in you two being motivated
non-distracted. normally have one thing. that's moved around a
lot. thing i care about the most optimum output. if you guys are not
gonna be happy with the non-profit, let's figure out the b-corp. if
you don't want e involved,
- do have weakly held views, but pale in comparison to making you
guys fully happy.
* * lya and me breakfast
- conclusion is we truly want the b-corp. honestly we also want to get
back to work. but it's not super clear how we get there.
- one realization is that we always have the option to quit and put up
the public job posting. also we're *so* close to the hand (and
probably the 5v5) that we should finish those up for sure.
- one sad outcome here would be to "wind down" the non-profit on
those. hopefully not going to be so needed; would only really be
needed because elon blocks us going b-corp.
two reasons we don't wanna do tesla:
- happy to not become rich on this, so long as no one else is. don't
see the economics working out.
- don't see story for how the tech ends up being owned by the world
so our statement to sam: we truly prefer the b-corp. we want to make
it happen, though there are costs and difficulties which would stop
us. but we think that makes the most sense.
if he starts the competitor going to be less
cannot say that we are committed to the non-profit. don't wanna say
that we're committed. if three months later we're doing b-corp then it
was a lie.
statement must be, right now we have these concerns, we want to see
the fundraising landscape. hypothesis: after robot hand and 5v5,
totally diff world. we need, upper bound, $150M for 2018. and right
now more dollars wouldn't make us move faster.
and so... what does this all mean. we are really unsure if he starts a
competitor that it's going to end in a good place. btw right now we
have this great position of power. but it can of course all go away
very quickly.
- policy gradients
ok, so not feeling so great about all of this. the true answer is that
we want him out.
ok, so talking to shivon: she's like how are you gonna raise the
billions in the non-profit? of course E isn't going to put personal
money on the line, not going to give up on mars.
if he really thinks that AGI is gonna happen first and be the craziest
thing and change